This discussion of web and materiality, including the physical aspect of the web and the question: is the web an object and can we treat it as such, is reminiscent of a similar discussion. When photography became a new phenomena in the 1830s, it was considered by most of the world as not art, but as a scientific development. This is in part because it was, it was a new technology developed, made possible by the use of chemicals and much testing. But was photography art? Over the next several decades, this was an argument that photographers worked to win through showing how photography was an art through their work. It took a long time before people started to regard it as such, photographic movements and comparing the calotype to romanticism seen in painting, helped to further this argument in an abundance of evidence that photography is in fact, an art form. Through readings such as Frank Chimero’s The Web’s Grain and J.R. Carpenter’s A Handmade Web, this same argument seems to be playing out for programmers: are websites art? People such as Chimero and Carpenter are making their cases for why they believe websites are art, and the act of ‘coding’ is artistic. This desire to have something considered art seems to go against the principles of why some make art. Art can be about self, it is your reality that you project from your mind into the world, so why spend time working to convince other people that what you’ve made is art? Art is often about truth. What do we consider truthful? How do we depict truth? Do we want to depict truth? In this age we talk about truth more and more, with fake news plaguing our realities, AI, and surveillance, who is truthful? Who wants to be truthful? Photography went through several similar conversations. During The New Deal, Arthur Rothstein was hired by the FSA to make a photography campaign to display the dust bowl and the need for The New Deal to help repair America. Rothstein is famous for his photographs of cow skulls in his efforts to complete his task, however he did not tell the truth with these photos. Photography was often regarded, and still is, as truth, during film there was no digital manipulation and people simply believed that the images they saw were truthful. In this photo series, there are several cow skulls in different locations, and presumably they are different cow skulls. But what Rothstein did was take the same skull and move it to different locations to create the appearance of devastation. While the dust bowl was a catastrophe, these photos were not truthful and the discussion of truth in photography was brought to the limelight. When digital color photography was invented, truth and the lack of art became a battle once again. With programming being used for untruthful acts, creating fake news and spreading deception, this discussion of coding as art seems to be parallel to the same discussions that photographers and non-photographers have been having. With more and more stretches in new technology, we seem to be slipping further away from the ability to only tell the truth, and with that, is there a sliding scale between truth and art?